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Post by Tex-Mex Alex A. Dex on Feb 10, 2008 20:31:28 GMT -5
well lets see, countries with substantial communist parties: France, Italy. Countires where communism has been tried: Former USSR, North Korea, China, Cuba, Venezuela and a couple of insiginficiant countires.
Countries where communism collapsed: USSR Countries where communism led to a clear higher standard of living (compaired to surroundings): Cuba
And also note that the USSR was in line with standard economic growth until AFTER the fall of communism, where average purchasing power fell to less than half, and median purchasing power fell to less than a third.
Ohh ya, that is such a horrible track record compaired to capitalism: Colonial collapses, over half of all people in capitalist latin america in poverty, 30% revolution rate on countries that follow capitalism, average environmental damage 20% higher, very few countries outside the already developed countries (US, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Western Europe) experiencing majour economic growth at the median of society (south korea being one of the exceptions).
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Post by Finn on Feb 15, 2008 20:43:30 GMT -5
democracy? more like democrazy!!!
don't kid yourself, they still live like shit. capitalism would improve many people's standards of living, though many people would likely be in a worse off situation than they were in before.
I am not willing to look up any arbitrary statistics to back myself up, but please take a look at all of the most powerful and modern countries on our little planet. Yeah, democracy.
edit: lmfao realized i said democracy instead of capitalism at one point
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Post by Cheesemaster IV on Feb 15, 2008 22:05:09 GMT -5
democracy? more like democrazy!!! Nice one.
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Post by Tex-Mex Alex A. Dex on Feb 16, 2008 13:31:28 GMT -5
Wait, i thought we were talking about captialism vs. communistic socialism: And in that case, cuba's GDP per capita is $24,000, if memory serves me right (the US is around $42,000, canada around $35,000, but brazil and mexico are around $5,000 and $6,500, not to mention cuba's life expectancy exceeds even the US, and probably is about tied with canada)
And of course developed nations with long national history and strong national identity are going to become democracies, they would be crazy not to, since the money and information are both there. People are going to support their country, which the most direct way is democracy. However, if there is no national identity, people won't trust their neighbor's representation, and support it. If there is no money, it becomes a burden to the society, and questionable fairness. If the information isn't there, people are voting blind! So as far as most developing nations go, democracy is a stupid idea doomed to failure (if you don't beleive me, look at pretty much anywhere in africa). [also, france has had to change systems like 5 times before they got it right, and a developing nation can't handle revolutionary government changes every few years].
Also, the 3 countries that really represent wealth are luxemborg, monoco, and the british virgin islands. none of which are great symbols of democracy!
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